What women have we met so far in The Iliad? How are they treated? How do they affect the action? Is the role of the goddesses different from that of the mortals? What quotations support your ideas?
I think that the women are treated in two ways. The Godesses are feared and thoght of as strong, no one tells them what to do and everyone respects them. The mortal women are told, at least in Troy, are told to continue their lives normally. Hector told his wife to go back to the other women and sew and things like that. But, when Athena told him to stop and not to kill someone he listened. In this story mortal women are also thought of as property. Just look at what started the war, Paris stole Helen from her husband.
So far we have seen a couple of women. We have seen the goddess and moms of some of the main characters we have read about. Most of the women we read about are worried women about their family. There are worried moms about their sons and worried wives. In all cases when a women talks to a man she is very knowledgable and knows what is going on. I think in a way goddesses have more power than mortal women but both show to be really smart.
So far we have seen a couple of women. We have seen the goddess and moms of some of the main characters we have read about. Most of the women we read about are worried women about their family. There are worried moms about their sons and worried wives. In all cases when a women talks to a man she is very knowledgable and knows what is going on. I think in a way goddesses have more power than mortal women but both show to be really smart.
I think we have only seen or at least met one worried wife, and she is very knowledgable. We have to consider though that she is Hector's wife and he is the main Trojan warrior, i think that that is how she knows so much. I bet that if we were to meet others wives we may find them less knowledgable. I think that Hector treats his wife differently, especially compared to Agamemnon and Agamemnon's brother, who are more contolling of their women
So far we have met Hectors wife. They are treated like they need to mind their business. Basically like they need to do the girl work like attend to the kids or wash and clean. The roles are the same the men goes to fight in the battles for their pride or for their family. The women stay behind and take care of the house. All the women are concerned and scared.
WELL, MAINLY THE WOMEN IN THIS TIME IS LIVING IN A LIFE OF SORROW. HECTOR'S WIFE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ONE OF THE WOMAN THAT CAN'T STOP THEIR MAN FROM GOING INTO THE WAR. THEY ARE TREATED AS IF THEY DON'T EXIST IN THEIR MAN'S FACE. GODDESSES IS A LOT DIFFERENT FROM THE MORTALS B/C THEY INTENDED TO DO MORE THINGS AND HAVE MORE ATTENTIONS FROM THE GODS.
"My son, why have you left the battle to come hither? Are the Achaeans, woe betide them, pressing you hard about the city that you have thought fit to come and uplift your hands to Jove from the citadel?"
So far in the Illiad we have met Hector's wife Andromachen, Athena, Helen of Troy and the mother of Andromachen. The mortal women seemed to be treated as objects or prizes. So far it seems as though the women create a lot of the action for the men when they get in the middle of things the men seem to grow more aggrivated and more geared for war. I believe the goddesses are there to watch and protect whereas the mortals are there to do women's work and stay out of the way.
"Wife," said Jove, "I can do nothing but you suspect me and find it out. You will take nothing by it, for I shall only dislike you the more, and it will go harder with you. Granted that it is as you say; I mean to have it so; sit down and hold your tongue as I bid you for if I once begin to lay my hands about you, though all heaven were on your side it would profit you nothing."
You are my wife, but you would find it hard to understand them. When it is proper for you to hear, there is no one, god or man, who will be told sooner, but when I mean to keep a matter to myself, you must not pry nor ask questions."
I am commenting on mgienger001's comment. I agree with her interprutation of how the mortals and goddesses are treated. I think its funny how men think they can boss their mortal wives and other women around but when it comes to the goddesses the men drop down and cowardly obey. I believe the men are blindsighted and don't see how much power the women actually hold upon them.
Women are more like housekeeper. When Hector looking for his wife, he had thing in mind that "she was on the wall with her child and one of her maids, weeping bitterly." They didn't have to fight in the war. They have to take care of the house and they children. Women are set to respect and listen to what their husband says. From reading our class comment, I can see that we have almost all of us the same comment. Which women are worries about being a widow. Women are worries about their husband that goes to the battle. "should I lose you, to lie dead and buried, for I shall have nothing left to comfort me when you are gone, save only sorrow." Women have to do their own things at home like take care of the children and cleaning. The role of the goddesses from that of the mortals are different. The goddessed are much stronger and more responsible. The mortal women are like common people who live each day worry about the house, children, and especially their husband.
SO FAR SO NOT GOOD, WOMEN ARE LOSING THEIR FAITH IN THEIR HUSBANDS. tHEY'RE AFRIAD THAT THEY WILL BECOME WIDOW AND THAT THEIR WILL BE NO ONE TO RISE THEIR KIDS/SONS TO BE GOOD AND STRONG. My child," said he, "take your seat in front of me that you may see your former husband, your kinsmen and your friends.
So far, the story introduced Clytemnestra and Andromache. The women are treated as unequals to the men and viewed as prizes to obtain. "Let the Achaeans find me a prize in fair exchange to my liking, or I will come and take your own, or that of Ajax or of Ulysses; and he to whomsoever I may come shall rue my coming." (Book I) Chryseis is portrayed more as an object then a human-being. Her father put her down as collatural and lost the bet and gave her up to Agamemnon. ""Dear husband," said she, "your valour will bring you to destruction; think on your infant son, and on my hepless self who are long shall be your widow- for the Achaeans will set upon you in a body and kill you."(Book VII)Andromache portrays the traditional views of a women quaility:passive to her man, nurturing, and emotional when Hector was determined to go to war with the Achaeans. Their woman quailities makes them vulnerable and easy for the men to control them. The Goddesses have more authority over the mortals, because of their unique powers.(They're the upper classmen.)
The role of women have been very different through out history the male role has always been known as the superior role and they have control but in the Illad the women are treated as if they dont need to know whats going on around them and they aren't important. But as for a goddess she is treated very respectfully and she is strong and most people are afraid of her.
I think that the women in the story, The ILIAD are treated unfairly in most times and cases, where the godesses are very respected by others because they have power and they are strong, so everyone fears them because of the power they have. Women in general had no voice or opinion as if they were not needed or have a value except for pleasing their husbands and being good women at home.
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I think that the women are treated in two ways. The Godesses are feared and thoght of as strong, no one tells them what to do and everyone respects them. The mortal women are told, at least in Troy, are told to continue their lives normally. Hector told his wife to go back to the other women and sew and things like that. But, when Athena told him to stop and not to kill someone he listened. In this story mortal women are also thought of as property. Just look at what started the war, Paris stole Helen from her husband.
So far we have seen a couple of women. We have seen the goddess and moms of some of the main characters we have read about. Most of the women we read about are worried women about their family. There are worried moms about their sons and worried wives. In all cases when a women talks to a man she is very knowledgable and knows what is going on. I think in a way goddesses have more power than mortal women but both show to be really smart.
So far we have seen a couple of women. We have seen the goddess and moms of some of the main characters we have read about. Most of the women we read about are worried women about their family. There are worried moms about their sons and worried wives. In all cases when a women talks to a man she is very knowledgable and knows what is going on. I think in a way goddesses have more power than mortal women but both show to be really smart.
I think we have only seen or at least met one worried wife, and she is very knowledgable. We have to consider though that she is Hector's wife and he is the main Trojan warrior, i think that that is how she knows so much. I bet that if we were to meet others wives we may find them less knowledgable. I think that Hector treats his wife differently, especially compared to Agamemnon and Agamemnon's brother, who are more contolling of their women
So far we have met Hectors wife. They are treated like they need to mind their business. Basically like they need to do the girl work like attend to the kids or wash and clean. The roles are the same the men goes to fight in the battles for their pride or for their family. The women stay behind and take care of the house. All the women are concerned and scared.
WELL, MAINLY THE WOMEN IN THIS TIME IS LIVING IN A LIFE OF SORROW. HECTOR'S WIFE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ONE OF THE WOMAN THAT CAN'T STOP THEIR MAN FROM GOING INTO THE WAR. THEY ARE TREATED AS IF THEY DON'T EXIST IN THEIR MAN'S FACE. GODDESSES IS A LOT DIFFERENT FROM THE MORTALS B/C THEY INTENDED TO DO MORE THINGS AND HAVE MORE ATTENTIONS FROM THE GODS.
"My son, why have you left the battle to come hither? Are the Achaeans, woe betide them, pressing you hard about the city that you have thought fit to come and uplift your hands to Jove from the citadel?"
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So far in the Illiad we have met Hector's wife Andromachen, Athena, Helen of Troy and the mother of Andromachen. The mortal women seemed to be treated as objects or prizes. So far it seems as though the women create a lot of the action for the men when they get in the middle of things the men seem to grow more aggrivated and more geared for war. I believe the goddesses are there to watch and protect whereas the mortals are there to do women's work and stay out of the way.
"Wife," said Jove, "I can do nothing but you suspect me and find it out. You will take nothing by it, for I shall only dislike you the more, and it will go harder with you. Granted that it is as you say; I mean to have it so; sit down and hold your tongue as I bid you for if I once begin to lay my hands about you, though all heaven were on your side it would profit you nothing."
You are my wife, but you would find it hard to understand them. When it is proper for you to hear, there is no one, god or man, who will be told sooner, but when I mean to keep a matter to myself, you must not pry nor ask questions."
I am commenting on mgienger001's comment. I agree with her interprutation of how the mortals and goddesses are treated. I think its funny how men think they can boss their mortal wives and other women around but when it comes to the goddesses the men drop down and cowardly obey. I believe the men are blindsighted and don't see how much power the women actually hold upon them.
Women are more like housekeeper. When Hector looking for his wife, he had thing in mind that "she was on the wall with her child and one of her maids, weeping bitterly." They didn't have to fight in the war. They have to take care of the house and they children. Women are set to respect and listen to what their husband says.
From reading our class comment, I can see that we have almost all of us the same comment. Which women are worries about being a widow. Women are worries about their husband that goes to the battle. "should I lose you, to lie dead and buried, for I shall have nothing left to comfort me when you are gone, save only sorrow." Women have to do their own things at home like take care of the children and cleaning.
The role of the goddesses from that of the mortals are different. The goddessed are much stronger and more responsible. The mortal women are like common people who live each day worry about the house, children, and especially their husband.
SO FAR SO NOT GOOD, WOMEN ARE LOSING THEIR FAITH IN THEIR HUSBANDS. tHEY'RE AFRIAD THAT THEY WILL BECOME WIDOW AND THAT THEIR WILL BE NO ONE TO RISE THEIR KIDS/SONS TO BE GOOD AND STRONG.
My child," said he, "take your seat in front of me that you may see your former husband, your kinsmen and your friends.
So far, the story introduced Clytemnestra and Andromache. The women are treated as unequals to the men and viewed as prizes to obtain. "Let the Achaeans find me a prize in fair exchange to my liking, or I will come and take your own, or that of Ajax or of Ulysses; and he to whomsoever I may come shall rue my coming." (Book I) Chryseis is portrayed more as an object then a human-being. Her father put her down as collatural and lost the bet and gave her up to Agamemnon. ""Dear husband," said she, "your valour will bring you to destruction; think on your infant son, and on my hepless self who are long shall be your widow- for the Achaeans will set upon you in a body and kill you."(Book VII)Andromache portrays the traditional views of a women quaility:passive to her man, nurturing, and emotional when Hector was determined to go to war with the Achaeans. Their woman quailities makes them vulnerable and easy for the men to control them.
The Goddesses have more authority over the mortals, because of their unique powers.(They're the upper classmen.)
The role of women have been very different through out history the male role has always been known as the superior role and they have control but in the Illad the women are treated as if they dont need to know whats going on around them and they aren't important. But as for a goddess she is treated very respectfully and she is strong and most people are afraid of her.
I think that the women in the story, The ILIAD are treated unfairly in most times and cases, where the godesses are very respected by others because they have power and they are strong, so everyone fears them because of the power they have. Women in general had no voice or opinion as if they were not needed or have a value except for pleasing their husbands and being good women at home.
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